DraStic

Dude, Jay Haru is not me. I don't mind if you want to argue I'm a hypocrite or unethical or whatever other opinion you have but you WILL carry this out with enough good faith to not assume (with absolutely no evidence whatsoever I might add) that I'm trying to deceive people with sockpuppet accounts. Or that anyone else is, for that matter.

I'm sure you're just going to take this as proof that you're right but I really don't care. Consider this your only warning.

As for everything else you're saying, your point is not hard to understand and therefore not really worth belaboring or reiterating. You see emulators as piracy tools and therefore emulator authors must not respect the right for game developers to make money. So when an emulator developer wants to make money you call hypocrisy. Apparently your ethics code is more concerned with who is a hypocrite and less concerned with real world cause and effect, because you say how much piracy hurts but you embrace free emulators which result in far more users (and therefore far more piracy). As far as you're putting it, it must be okay for emulator authors to make a statement that game developers don't deserve money, so long as they don't think they deserve money either it's all fine.

But I reject that because I think game developers deserve to be able to make money off their games. I'd like DraStic users to have paid for the games they play, but of course I know a lot won't. I can live with this because frankly there's little primary market activity remaining for DS. I'd feel differently if this were something like a 3DS emulator but it's not so I don't. And I'd feel that way regardless of whether or not I made money on it. I'm still not going to go sneering at the Citra devs because they still offer something useful and completely legitimate to people who want to play their purchased games on an emulator.

You think DVD players are different because they don't bundle copyrighted material but that's nonsense because neither do I. People can play bootleg DVDs on a DVD player and there are entire regions where almost all of the market is based on piracy.

You talk about proof or whatever but that's laughable. It's totally subjective. You'd may as well argue about how game rentals or used sales are unethical. Some people have. Mostly the big game companies. But it's pointless because most people are not going to see it that way. You're not making some kind of empirical argument here, you're asking me to accept a dichotomy that I find completely false.

No one is going to change your mind and we all know we're wasting our time here. But I guess you had some reason for posting and I can only assume you wanted these responses so here you go.

o.g. scatterpaws wrote:Yeah, you pretty much repeated a lot of what i've already said. Except you are taking my point way futher that I ever did just because you're so desperate to somehow explain away your hypocricy. DVD players and mobile phones don't use copyrighted software to make money. Disney and Paramount aren't suing Sony and Apple. Emulators are ethical only if they are offered free of charge, like many of them are. And all of my points still remain valid. I am still open to anyone or anything able to prove me wrong, but pickings seem to be slim here (though there is a healthy supply of snark and tortured logic). Again, let me be clear, nobody has said anything of substance to disprove anything that I have stated here. And Haru you really do need to practice more intellegent typing and grammar becasue much of what you post is indeed difficult to read, it may not impossible, but why be so lazy? It isn't that difficult.

Anyway, I grow weary of my repeated attempts to break through this proverbial wall. I knew I wasn't going to change anything or anyone, people who don't want to learn simply aren't going to and it is frankly not worth my time anymore. I made a good effort of it and i've said what I intented to here. Think on this situation with an open mind once your emotions subside. Sorry I had to hold up a mirror to your ugliness but you'll grow into a better person if you act upon this criticism in a humble and intellegent way.

You're welcome and have a wonderful day ^_^.

last time i checked emulators does not use proprietary software (which would then make it illegal). they may require a bios (taken from the original console, of course) but drastic has its own original one. you need to provide evidence of what you are accusing unless being a freelance artist also now means you are well versed with the law (which i doubt) as well as some sort of software expert. you actually have not provided any evidence and just bombarded us with the emotional outburst you accuse us (not to mention being a drama queen about it) while i would provide you with one. research on the case of sony vs. bleem! this is with the legality of the emulator and guess what? bleem! won that case.

additionally, I will laugh at your comment about phones not using another's IP (intellectual property. if thats to deep for you that is a jargon saying one company is pirating another). just goes to show you how little you know. apple and samsung had a debacle over this, there was also the thing with google paying microsoft since they use proprietary software under MS license.

also, whats this?

Emulators are ethical only if they are offered free of charge, like many of them are.

can you provide proof of this? no? is this just your delusional truth?

wait... does this mean you pirated the app? oh the humanity! a pirate accusing a legal app dev as a hypocrite coz he wants it for free. the irony! instead of being a freelance artist, you should go work for fox news. i am sure you will make it big with your baseless accusations.

i will point this out tho, your definition of piracy is very much incorrect and very much self serving. its only ethical when its free? then maybe i should ask you and every artist (in a very broad sense) to make your content free as well coz reasons!

if you want to break the so called wall you claim then you provide the equipment to do it and not just hand wave proof/fact that is presented to you unless...

I was going to just ignore this whole thread but....

In my humble opinion there are 3 reasons for emulators to exist.

1. Archival - allowing for games that would otherwise be claimed by the mists of time to still be playable even after the original hardware/ storage medium has failed due to age. Honestly if you want something like this then I understand the it ahould be free argument because closed source software on only a very specific platform kinda defeats the purpose of archival emulation. From what I can tell DraStic is not trying to be a circuit accurate (or cycle accurate) emulator, nor would any android based system be able to do that with a Nintendo DS.

2. Convenience - allowing gamers to play their own games in ways that enhance the experience. Nintendo DS hardware does not have savestates, support for external controllers, or filters/ high rez. Also for me, half my screen is still way bigger then a DS screen (I play on a tablet) and less items to carry. While flash carts do allow for me to carry multiple games at one time (with out that item, even the relatively small DS carts start to get unwieldy), the ability to carry multiple systems with me in under 300 grams of weight is a huge benefit. These are the thing you pay for when you buy a convenience emulator.

3. Piracy - an emulator made for piracy should generally be released when people who would want to pirate the games would need it. A good example would be bleem!, a psx emulator commercially released before the ps2 was even released. It is true any emulator can be used for piracy but that is up to the individual user and something that is out of the hands of any emultor author no matter if it is paid or free. But as far as piracy goes flash carts, mod chips, custom firmware (if used for piracy), and other console hacks are far more relevant to game piracy then emulators playing last or many console generations ago content.


All things being said, the real reason you are soo very very resentful is pretty easy to see. On android you can find generally a free alternative to nearly every paid emulator that will work as well as the paid version (retroarch is an example). The exception is no nintendo DS emulator works even half as good as Drastic does (on android) even with very fast hardware. Add in the fact that lucky patcher, cracks and many other ways you probably pirate apps do not work with newer versions of DraStic (if with any version). All together this adds up to the fact that you are pissed you have to pay money to pirate your nintendo ds pokemon games.

TkSilver wrote:I was going to just ignore this whole thread but....

In my humble opinion there are 3 reasons for emulators to exist.

1. Archival - allowing for games that would otherwise be claimed by the mists of time to still be playable even after the original hardware/ storage medium has failed due to age. Honestly if you want something like this then I understand the it ahould be free argument because closed source software on only a very specific platform kinda defeats the purpose of archival emulation. From what I can tell DraStic is not trying to be a circuit accurate (or cycle accurate) emulator, nor would any android based system be able to do that with a Nintendo DS.

2. Convenience - allowing gamers to play their own games in ways that enhance the experience. Nintendo DS hardware does not have savestates, support for external controllers, or filters/ high rez. Also for me, half my screen is still way bigger then a DS screen (I play on a tablet) and less items to carry. While flash carts do allow for me to carry multiple games at one time (with out that item, even the relatively small DS carts start to get unwieldy), the ability to carry multiple systems with me in under 300 grams of weight is a huge benefit. These are the thing you pay for when you buy a convenience emulator.

3. Piracy - an emulator made for piracy should generally be released when people who would want to pirate the games would need it. A good example would be bleem!, a psx emulator commercially released before the ps2 was even released. It is true any emulator can be used for piracy but that is up to the individual user and something that is out of the hands of any emultor author no matter if it is paid or free. But as far as piracy goes flash carts, mod chips, custom firmware (if used for piracy), and other console hacks are far more relevant to game piracy then emulators playing last or many console generations ago content.


All things being said, the real reason you are soo very very resentful is pretty easy to see. On android you can find generally a free alternative to nearly every paid emulator that will work as well as the paid version (retroarch is an example). The exception is no nintendo DS emulator works even half as good as Drastic does (on android) even with very fast hardware. Add in the fact that lucky patcher, cracks and many other ways you probably pirate apps do not work with newer versions of DraStic (if with any version). All together this adds up to the fact that you are pissed you have to pay money to pirate your nintendo ds pokemon games.

I was just about to write basically what you just said. I should learn to type quicker...

I also enjoyed Jay's meme. Him and memes is most likely gonna be his new thing, which is good because I enjoy geek-based comedy. I don't know who the general guy is (don't bother telling me), but the quote was perfect. He also used that meme in another thread where we went off topic and talked about the Pokemon anime.

Read the spoiler if you want to read me rambling about all the Pokemon stuff I just bought...

TkSilver wrote:I was going to just ignore this whole thread but....
All things being said, the real reason you are soo very very resentful is pretty easy to see. On android you can find generally a free alternative to nearly every paid emulator that will work as well as the paid version (retroarch is an example). The exception is no nintendo DS emulator works even half as good as Drastic does (on android) even with very fast hardware. Add in the fact that lucky patcher, cracks and many other ways you probably pirate apps do not work with newer versions of DraStic (if with any version). All together this adds up to the fact that you are pissed you have to pay money to pirate your nintendo ds pokemon games.

You make a very good point and you are mostly right, but a lot of people already cracked drastic succesfully just look at threads like this:
http://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php ... it=drastic

Maybe exophase can add a protection to this crack method in future updates?

talos91 wrote:
You make a very good point and you are mostly right, but a lot of people already cracked drastic succesfully just look at threads like this:
http://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php ... it=drastic
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Maybe exophase can add a protection to this crack method in future updates?

The funny thing is that the link you provided is full of people whining that it is not cracked because exo protected it as well as he has. The few people claiming to have patched it with this program or that program are generally the same people who end up "The App Is Broken Because You Didn't Pay For It", because tampering with the license verification on DraStic breaks many many things.

talos91 wrote:You make a very good point and you are mostly right, but a lot of people already cracked drastic succesfully just look at threads like this:
http://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php ... it=drastic

Maybe exophase can add a protection to this crack method in future updates?

That's not cracked, that's the unmodified APK, which works fine if you have a valid license. Can't very well stop people from distributing that, not that we'd care to (for one thing you can use older versions that way)

As far as we know no one has really cracked it to the extent where it no longer reacts to being cracked. That reaction might have gotten a little less subtle over time.

If there's other things people are doing (or LuckyPatcher or whatever is doing) to change other parts of their system we can't really do anything about that. But those sorts of things tend to require rooted phones which really knocks out a lot of casual users and I don't even know if it's possible on all devices.

BTW, like with all the other Android stuff Lordus handles this, not me.

Just ignore the OP(hes a 1st class dick and a hypocrite)...I admit I use pirated ROMS (there is nothing you can do to stop me HAHAHA!!!) and I purchased DraStic just to play... why because who wants to spend $100 to buy a DS console when you can purchase it straight to your smartphone/tablet for just $7. Also, why spend, for example $30 to purchase a DS game when you can download it free?. Feel free to call me cheap f**K but this forum is made for people who purchased the emulator.

If you were the developer, you wouldn't want people cracking your app with Lucky Patcher and asking for support would you?
The developers are actually nice people that put in hard work and time to create the emulator that works excellently for you to use just for $7... so let's see you create something better.

How dare you insult the developers(lucky you're not banned, because they are nice people) If you want to vent out your anger I dare you to go to the World of Tanks forums (very toxic community I migrated from) and see how long you last there before they shut you up. I'm sticking up for the developers because I'm grateful there is a DS emulator that works with my external controller.

If you're really that concerned why not complain to Nintendo and see if they care...if you're not about talking money they won't listen. Also if you have a lot of time on your hands why not complain about the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, Game Boy Advance, Wii, Nintendo Entertainment System, Nintendo 64, Nintendo Game Cube, Game boy, Game boy Color they all have emulators created too and they love to hear your feedback (especially yours). You had to target the DS forums of all choices picky much?

I still own 2 Wii consoles so if your going to insult me for having the Wii then go ahead see if I care.

If I'm going to get banned for this then oh well I know the consequences coming. I'm not trying to ruin your day but you make life difficult for the developers. Piracy is the least of your concerns as there are more important things to be concerned about. Lol reading Jay Haru's comments shows that the Ban Hammer can be in a humorous form.

I am pretty sure the Nintendo DS is now discontinued as they are not manufactured anymore and no more new games are made for it so emulating it in terms of supporting game developers etc is not really an issue. As for the Nintendo 3DS and its games, I have a Nintendo 3DS and buy 3ds game

kaikun97 wrote:I am pretty sure the Nintendo DS is now discontinued as they are not manufactured anymore and no more new games are made for it so emulating it in terms of supporting game developers etc is not really an issue. As for the Nintendo 3DS and its games, I have a Nintendo 3DS and buy 3ds game

Throw out the old and keep the new. Besides give a kid 2 choices Nintendo DS lite and 3DS the obvious the best choice is 3DS.
Hey KaiKun I apologise for calling you Kai-Chan its just everytime I see your profile pic its refreshing and makes me want to watch anime.